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Five four we'll talk about it yeah yes and we're live hello hey Joe welcome thank you it's great to be here thanks for having me my pleasure Sam Harris sends his regards yeah Sam's a beautiful man he is I love that guy and he's one of the reasons why you're here so universal basic income this is what this is all about yes yeah that's what my campaign for president is all about that's a an interesting like focus of a campaign and and very unusual and I mean four years ago you'd never even thought that that would have a chance at all but this is a subject that has been gaining momentum and it made it I made a big shift because I had my friend Eddie Wong on once and he was the first person to bring it up and my initial knee-jerk reaction was get the fuck out here like universal basic income just gonna give people money they're just gonna be lazy nothing's ever gonna get done that's a terrible idea and then I started paying attention to the rise of AI and automation and how many jobs are gonna get taken away and then once you see the actual numbers it's pretty staggering yeah and that's how I got there Joe like I spent the last seven years running an organization that I'd started called venture for America and we helped create about 3,000 jobs in Detroit Cleveland st. Louis Birmingham New Orleans other cities around the country and I saw that we're pouring water into a bathtub that has a giant hole ripped in the bottom and that for every 5 10 50 jobs that my entrepreneurs are gonna create we're gonna lose 5 10 50,000 jobs it's not something that people intuitively suspect could be a real issue either it's it's one of the ones where you kind of have to let go shake people like hey look at this this is coming there's a cliff we're going towards this cliff it's it's darker still and that so when I was digging into the numbers I found that it's not this cliff that we're heading towards it's actually more of a curve that we're on what I've been telling people is that we're in the third inning now where one of the main reasons why Donald Trump won in 2021 is that we automated away four million manufacturing jobs that were based in Michigan Pennsylvania Ohio Wisconsin Missouri Iowa all the swing states he needed to win in the center of the country and a lot of that was just manufacturing work and if you go to a factory you'll see it says giant robot arms as far as the eye can see so it's not just that you have artificial intelligence on the horizon it's that we've been eating away at the most common jobs in the US economy for almost 20 years now and it's just now.